Episode 159 with Peter Hirsh


What’s up everyone? It’s me, Drew Manning, your host of the Fit2Fat2Fit Experience Podcast. Where as many of you know, I did my Fit2Fat2Fit journey back in 2011-2012 gaining 75 pounds on purpose in six months, then losing it again in six months. On this Podcast, we take the lessons that I learned from that and apply it, especially with some of the guests that I have on. So we do talk about the physical side of transformation and weight loss, but we also talk about the mental and emotional side, which is the most important. So a really quick intro to today’s guest, his name is Peter Hirsh out of California. He has 17 years experience as a personal trainer and a fitness speaker. He is the founder and chief content creator of Kettlebell Movement. You can go check out his website, kettlebellmovement.com. It’s a website`dedicated to the teaching of kettlebell training. He also shares his knowledge through corporate wellness programs as well as a small group of one on one clients and by teaching` workshops around the country. Today we get into what the kettlebell movement is. We talk about how exercise has been influenced by misinformation over the years. We talk about how diet, and especially keto, is the way to lose weight and not spinning away like a hamster doing cardio all day. He talks about why cardio is not as important as some people think it is. A lot of great information with this Podcast with Peter, to be honest with you. A lot of hidden gems in here that will help you on your journey as you are either trying to get fit or maintain that fitness level. Peter is definitely a wealth of knowledge. I think you guys will really like what we have to say in this episode. Let’s go visit with Peter now.

Drew: Peter, welcome to the show, man. How are you doing today?

Peter: Very well, thanks Drew. Thanks for having me on.

Drew: Excited to have you on, man. I know I promised to get you on a while ago. *laughing* Now we are just doing it, right?

Peter: Yeah, yeah. *laughing* It’s been a lot of communication and it’s about time. *laughing*

Drew: Yeah, and it’s not like you haven’t been busy you know, doing nothing, right? *laughing*

Peter: No.

Drew: Yeah, it’s not like I haven’t been busy either, so …. *laughing*

Peter: Yeah. We are not just sitting around waiting to talk to each other. *laughing*

Drew: Exactly. So, we first met at PaleoFX last year, not this past year, but the year before, right?

Peter: Right.

Drew: Yeah, man I really like your story, what you do in the community. But I kind of want to introduce you to my audience first. So, let me allow you to introduce yourself to my audience, if that is ok?

Peter: Sure. I will give you a little backstory, if that’s ok?

Drew: One hundred percent man.

Peter: Perfect. I started off in the fitness community, for better or for worse, in one of the big box gyms. I was a fitness manager in a very large gym. I went through about four years of this experience, which was like I said, for better or for worse. For me, I wouldn’t have traded it for the world at this point, because of the amount of learning I went through at the time was just unbelievable. Of course you have to definitely see a lot of mistakes and errors`happening before you can understand there are ways to fix it, like there are better methods that you can go about doing things. I started off in a big box gym, sort of saw a lot of these mistakes that were happening. I saw …. really what it was is I was in a unique position where I had about 20 trainers working for me. Each one of them were between maybe 15-20 clients and it is just a massive amount of data that was in front of me that I could kind of analyze and understand. What really was I think the driving force behind this sort of curiosity was my subjective observation that people are seeing good results in the gym. You would see people come in and maybe they would start working and maybe for the first couple of months they would lose some weight. But especially the people who had a bigger weight loss goal, it would happen for potentially up to six months. Maybe if they were lucky, they would be losing weight up to six months and then it would be a plateau and then it would be almost going the opposite way. What was bizarre about it is I saw these people going through this experience in the gym, and as a fitness manager I was in my office and I was observing the entire floor the entire time. I knew every one of those people and I would see them in there on the cardio three days a week for 60-90 minutes with that thing on full tilt, sometimes with a weight vest on. They would come in to their trainer and they would give them a list of calories that they were eating and the food that they were eating, right?

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: And yet they hadn’t lost a pound. It was like, if you do the math on this it is physically impossible. What you are suggesting is that we follow the paradigm of calories in and calories out, this is physically impossible. I have seen them burn more calories than they are representing on this sheet just in the time they have been in the gym this week, let alone anything else they have done.

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: A lot of times I think as trainers we are told, ‘The customer or the client is not necessarily telling the truth about the calories. They are not writing down everything.’ Sure, that could be true for a small percentage of people. That could be a small part of it, but you can’t convince me that these people who are killing themselves in the gym are going home and eating a bunch of junk food and saying, ‘Oh no one will ever know! Look how sneaky I am being!’ It doesn’t fit the psychology. There was this thing where I was like definitely we are missing something. What is it? I had this data in front of me and I could see it. I would talk to my trainers every month and we would have a meeting every month. We would talk about every single client, so I really had an understanding of them. We would go over the data. My understanding was the calories in and calories out paradigm …. Let’s put it to you this way. I am not suggesting for a moment that doesn’t have a role in weight loss, but I think we would be foolish if we were pretending that it doesn’t. But if we are going to suggest that someone is overweight simply because they are consuming more calories than they are putting into their body and that’s also how you solve the problem, we are always going to end up with a sick population with chronic disease, which is what we have right now. `

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: That’s kind of where I came from. I learned about kettlebell training.

Drew: Yeah. Tell me about that transition.

Peter: Yeah. So this was about three years into my training with as a fitness manager. I had been in the industry for about 3 years. Definitely what I was noticing is in my own personal workouts and in the workouts I liked to provide for people, I definitely like to do things more movement based as opposed to sort of like joint movement one isolation muscle drill. I personally enjoyed it. I think a part of it is because I had been a martial artist for most of my life. A lot of the movements I was seeing in the gym, they kind of related to martial arts. Martial arts also provided me with a lot of flexibility and also sort of neuromuscular control and coordination. They made it so the functional style movements were sort of easier for me to do I think, than for most people, especially with the flexibility end of it. So I really enjoyed it. But then I also saw that applying it as opposed to the muscle isolation style and the cardiovascular for an hour or 90 minutes on some hamster type of treadmill, I found that was something that was much better. I hadn’t found kettlebells yet, I was using more basic equipment at the time.

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: So when I finally found kettlebells, it was at a point where there was really very little real knowledge about kettlebells at the time. What is funny is we think now about these people who really influenced us and it’s wonderful that we had that influence during the day. But if you really look at the early teachings from some of these supposed kettlebells masters, it’s a disaster. We were all in a phase where we were all learning for ourselves for a good five year stretch, going back 10-15 years ago. Because even the supposed masters were definitely changing their techniques and learning and saying different things as we went. So, it was a long haul and you had to apply a lot of the experience that you have from your other methodologies of training and things like that. But really what it is about the kettlebell to be specific, this is not a magical tool. There is nothing magical about it and I don’t have a specific affinity for it, other than the fact that it is extremely versatile. There are a lot of other tools that you can use that mimic kettlebells and do things that kettlebells can’t do and vice versa. So, it is definitely not the end all, be all, but it is an extremely versatile tool. If you are saying to someone, ‘Hey, let’s have a minimal investment. Let’s have as small amount of room as possible taken up in your house, in which you will have to store your workout equipment.’ If you want to have something that is going to last forever on one single investment, then that is probably the best choice to make for most people, because of its versatility.

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: Now I would probably also recommend a few other pieces of equipment, once you get a few kettlebells too. That is kind of my perspective on it.

Drew: Yeah, so we will get into that a little bit later. But what I wanted to go back to, was what you were talking about initially. What did you learn as a manager seeing this whole calories in, calories out paradigm and people not losing weight and the coaches and trainers trying to keep everyone accountable? What did you learn from that as far as like the mental and emotional side of weight loss that was affecting these people?

Peter: Yeah. Here is what happened, right? If you are in a gym, you think about the environment, and you’ve got one of two people in there. You have people like yourself in there trying to lose weight, the amateur, the people who are struggling with misinformation, right? Then you’ve got who else? People who look like yourself. That’s a pretty intimidating place and the trainers they look like yourself and myself. You’ve got a bunch of people like that. Then you’ve got these people who are being told something, they are busting their hump for it and then after a year, they still look almost the same as they did. At least to them in the mirror, they look the same as they did when they walked in.

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: So what does that do to their mentality? What you are pointing out is such a viable thing, how would that impact anybody? To put in that much effort but someone told you, “No, it’s actually when you eat a particular food, it impacts your body in a way that it doesn’t impact their body.’ Now it’s bad for everybody, it just doesn’t make that person swell up, but it does make you swell up. That’s really why you have the issues. It’s got nothing to do with the effort you are putting out. It’s got nothing to do with your dedication or anything like that. It’s got to do with the fact that your body …. In a way I think that we could almost look at it as something like, if your body tells you early that the foods you are putting into it are not appropriate, then you can respond to that. If you are the type of person who can eat McDonald’s and junk food all day and still be ripped, I feel sorry for you in a way because you will do that all your life and then you will die at 50 or 60 anyway. But you won’t know it because you think you are healthy. So, it’s almost good to have your body respond with some kind of signals and say what you are doing to me isn’t right. It just comes down to the types of foods you are eating. One of the things that I wanted to talk to you about Drew, is from a perspective. One of the things I really appreciated about you and what we talked about was how you come to Paleo conference and you are talking about the ketogenic lifestyle. You are pushing this ketogenic concept and information on people so they can be informed about it. The reason this is so important from my perspective is because the misinformation about weight loss regarding diet has greatly impacted the way people exercise.

Drew: Yeah. Let’s talk about that.

Peter: Yeah. We have people thinking that if they are overweight, instead of changing the foods they are eating and adopting a diet of ketogenic and removing specific foods from their diet, they think that they can go spin those calories away on a particular machine. They are impacting their workout based on this concept of weight loss, but the weight loss isn’t happening in the gym. The weight loss, 85% of it happens in the kitchen. You can supplement your weight loss in the gym, there is no question. But because the amount of weight loss that is actually occuring in the gym is so relatively minimal, don’t let that be the driving force behind the decisions you are making with the exercises you are doing. I can lose weight by doing deadlifts, so why would I run on a treadmill for an hour? Pounding away on my joints on the treadmill, when I can lose weight just as well doing functional exercises rather than something that would deteriorate my body. People are making decisions about their exercises based upon a weight loss goal.

Drew: I think that’s the problem with the health and fitness industry, is our perception of what health and fitness is supposed to be or supposed to look like. They see infomercials, they see instagram models, celebrities and their perfect bodies and they think that is what healthy is supposed to look like. So, I need to look like that in order to be healthy, when they don’t realize the goal isn’t really weight loss. Weight loss shouldn’t be the goal, that is just your relationship with gravity. The body composition and fat loss is what people are really looking for, yet they put so much value on their weight, which is not black and white. There is a lot of variables that go into weight loss, hormones, sleep, stress management. It’s not just calories in and calories out like you were talking about. That’s what I am trying to do, and you as well, is trying to change people’s perception of what health and fitness is supposed to be. It doesn’t have to be this hard core grind where you diet down really low calories and you kill yourself in the gym for hours and hours to look a certain way. There are a lot of people walking around with six packs that are skinny, they are dying on the inside but folks don’t know that. They think, ‘Oh you look good so who cares what you eat.’

Peter: Absolutely.

Drew: Like you said, this is stuff that sneaks up on people overtime. It would be cool if you ate or drank soda and your kidneys instantly hurt. Your body told you right away, ‘Hey, don’t do this.’ But its slow and steady and before you know it, boom, you’ve got type 2 diabetes. You think, ‘Man I feel ok. I don’t feel like I am going to die.’ That is what is scary about this. It’s just an uphill battle with changing people’s perception. You don’t need to do cardio for 60 minutes. You don’t need to lift weights for 60 minutes either. That’s what I want to get into with you. Let’s talk about kettlebell training, functional training. What does that look like for optimal fat loss and for just your average person trying to be healthier? In my opinion, I think it’s about working out smarter not necessarily longer, right?

Peter: Absolutely. The average duration of people’s workouts are extreme, but then sometimes that is social hour and other things involved in gym time. But yeah, probably for most people, 30 minutes is fine, it kind of depends. I think there is a lot of preference involved there. I am definitely one of those people who is all for a prolonged warm up period. Because no longer how long you think your warm up should be, there is a good likelihood you should extend it by 10-15%.

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: I am 42, so I start to get to this point where I am ok, I am going to make sure I don’t move to quickly and I take my time. You can avoid injuries so that kind of changes for everybody. But as far as the type of training and the modality, training smarter is the most important thing as you said. What I break it down to for most people is this, when I train my clients I break it down into something I learned from one of my greatest mentors, and I am going to mention his name, Paul Chek.

Drew: Paul Chek, yep. Definitely.

Peter: So, he is the person that coined this, the seven primal movements. So, let’s talk about what these are. The first primal movement is a hip hinge. This is what you would do if you were bending down to pick anything up off the ground. So in the real world, this is an extremely functional movement. If you are picking up your bag of groceries to take them from your car to your house. You put them down in front of your door, you unlock the door, pick the groceries back up. That is a hip hinge movement. The squat movement is the next movement. When I say this, this is very interesting because the logic is wondering what the difference is between the hip hinge when you bend and the squat? What is the difference between a bend and a squat?

Drew: *laughing*

Peter: A lot of people don’t know the difference between a hip bend and a squat. If you break it down and you ask the average person to perform both, a hip hinge and a squat, they will be able to do one but not the other. Generally speaking, people are way too tight or out of alignment to be able to perform both. Hip hinge, squat and lunge, that’s the third primal movement. Hip hinge, squat, lunge then you move into thoracic rotation, which divided the body from upper half to the lower half. So thoracic spine that rotates is the next movement. The fifth movement is pushing and the sixth movement is pulling. It really doesn’t have to be in this order. Then the next movement is gait. I will go through those again. Bend, Squat, Lunge, Twist, Push, Pull, Gait. Ok?

Drew: Ok, so seven.

Peter: So what you do is this, if you are new to the gym and new to the workout scene or you are just new to this style of training. You’ve been on a hamster wheel for years and it hasn’t worked for you. The first thing you do is you learn those seven primal movements with just body weight. Just focus on the first six, because walking and everything, we will get to that later. Stick to the first six, if you learn those with just body weight. Learn how to hip hinge, learn how to squat, learn how to lunge. You do all of those things in the most simple way possible. My advice to you at this point would be to get somebody to analyze your posture. I think if you don’t, there is another thing, you could analyze your own posture. But if you are choosing to analyze your own posture, you are going to need to be pretty confident in what you are seeing and what you think you should be seeing. You really have to have some good information to be able to self analyze at this level of your training. So go through those movements with body weight and then maybe a few variations of those movements bodyweighted, which they do have, for example with lunging, you can lunge backwards, you can lunge forward or sideways. Push ups, there are many variations of pushing. So learn very basic versions of those, then what you do is you learn to do those exercises with resistance. So, you take the hip hinge movement and if it’s just bodyweight, you turn it into a deadlift. You turn a squat into a squat with a little bit of weight held against your chest right here, just do a little squat with that. You turn a press into something with a soda can even, just something to press overhead to give you the idea of weight. So on and so forth, you really have to slow resistance training from there. Once you have developed, and when we talk about proficiency, I mean you should be so good at a deadlift, not to the point where you get it right, but to the point to where you can’t get it wrong. That’s when you’ve got it down. You can’t get it wrong. Then you progress from the strength phase into the power phase. So, that talks about things like the kettlebell swing, the kettlebell clean and snatch. So before you can get to those primary moves, you’ve gone through a good two levels of training to get to those power phase moves with the kettlebell. At the same time, as you’re going into the strength phase with your resistance, so on the second level, you can start moving into the power phase with body weight. You could start doing jump squats. You could start doing power lunges. You can start doing things with body weight to get the power phase activated before you get into the resistance level, which should be about the third level so to speak of your training. Then once you start incorporating the power phase with resistance, really what you will start to have to incorporate at the same time, to me this is where it becomes awesome. This is where it becomes infinite, is you start combining the movements.

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: So, if you think about a squat unto itself, that specific movement. Well squats work very well with say an overhead press. That’s an exercise called a thruster.

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: So with those seven primal movements, the lunge happens to work really well with rotational movements. If you have ever seen anybody throw a ball, it’s a lunge with a twist followed by a press, right? If you have ever seen anyone do a tug before, it’s a lunge backwards with a thoracic twist and a pull, right? So, it’s a combination of those three movements every time you do something very simple, that’s with resistance. Of course throwing a ball is very little resistance, but you get the idea. The same way that squatting works well with pressing, lunging works well with rotating, you will also find that the hip hinge works really well with upper body pulling exercises. So that is where exercises like a cleaner, a snatch come in. Where you are using a hip hinge, but you are actually using upper body strength to pull weight upwards and to control the arc of the weight and the weight of the weight when it moves. These exercises compliment each other, but then what we also find is that you start adding in set to challenges. Maybe you do something down on one leg? Or you do something in a way that you are stepping up onto a step or something on an environment that is less stable. What you do is you enter this realm of the infinite almost. Because the real world, the challenges that you will face are infinite like chaotic so you can’t even label them. You get to that point in your training in the gym when you start to get to that level, where you are combining exercises, you are changing the environment. You are making appropriate challenges and things like that.

Drew: So, it sounds like …. I agree with all these movements that you are talking about, especially for functional fitness. It sounds like things like CrossFit for example, kind of combine all of these together in different formats where you are doing those seven movements maybe together, sometimes separately. That’s kind of a one size fits all approach to what you are saying, especially if you want to constantly randomize your workouts. Is that a good recommendation for someone? Or can someone just come up with these ideas themselves to kind of continue the program?

Peter: Yes.

Drew: What do you think about CrossFit as far as combining these things together?

Peter: I think the CrossFit, it’s a really tough question. You are putting me in a position Drew! *laughing*

Drew: *laughing* I need to know now, which side are you on?! *laughing*

Peter: No, I am not on either side. Here is how I see CrossFit. I see CrossFit like chiropractors and like doctors. You are going to walk into some places and they are going to treat you very well. They are going to provide you with things and their services are going to make you really healthy. Then other places of the same concept and teaching are going to be a disaster. I think that is definitely the case. Do I think that unto itself it is either safe or unsafe, no? I do not believe that. I think there have been in the past, a lot of people who have gone into CrossFit before they were physically ready and that wasn’t recognized by the coaches. As a result, there are a lot of injuries and personally being in the fitness industry, I was witness to a lot of people who experienced that. But again, there are a lot of things to it. There is a lot of accountability to be had for everyone. I don’t necessarily recommend CrossFit, but I don’t not recommend it either. But you are correct in stating that they do take those exercises and randomize them. Really what it comes down to for me Drew, when it comes to your health on all levels, when you talk about diet especially, but when it comes to your exercise, the more you can analyze your body and the more you can respond to the signals your body is giving, the more appropriate your response to those signals are, and the healthier you will be. If you go into a CrossFit gym and they are telling you to do something and your body is saying go, go all the way and you feel fantastic. You walk out and you feel pumped and everything is great, then you were responding to those signals correctly.

Drew: Sorry to switch gears here, but where are you at with nutrition? Over the years you’ve gone from endurance cyclist to bodybuilding to personal training management to functional fitness with kettlebells. Where has your nutrition taken you? Where are you at today and where has it evolved from?

Peter: I would almost say that my path through ancestral health began with nutrition.

Drew: Ok. Gotcha.

Peter: I was studying Weston Price and actually really it was through Paul Chek back 15-16 years ago. Then that kind of pulled me into the movement concept of ancestral health. It’s been a slow progress. When I first started reading about how to take grain out of your diet and stuff like this, this was at a point when people were sucking down all kinds of chemicals. We are in a very comercial corporate environment as well, which didn’t help. It wasn’t something that I could tell you that I dedicated my entire existence to doing the Paleo lifestyle. It didn’t happen for me until I would say about 8 years ago is the first time I actually went full Paleo. I would say that pretty much is where I am today. In fact, it’s been at least 4 months since I had any sugar and grains, it’s been years since I had grain. However, right now I am sort of on a ketosis style, which is something I will have to talk to you about a little off camera when you have a little more time, because I would be interested in hearing your take.

Drew: Yeah. Yeah. So, it sounds like more of a low carb Paleo approach, which I think a lot of people are kind of gravitating towards. I think a lot of people do feel …. not a lot of people, some people do feel good on a low carb diet with a Paleo or keto approach. High fat, low carb approach. We have been ingrained with this methodology of, ‘Hey, you’ve got to have 7-11 servings of grain per day. And you have to stay low fat.’ We’ve been doing that for decades, for years and now look where it has gotten us. Now I think a lot of people are just starting to realize there are other options out there. The hard part is that you are going against people who have been so ingrained in this mentality that they are like, ‘That’s not sustainable. That’s not normal. That’s weird. You are cutting out necessary food groups.’ So, it’s really hard for people to let go of those things they have grown up on. Cereal for breakfast. Sandwiches for lunch. Pasta for dinner with chips, cookies and crackers in between. That was our society for years and years. Have you noticed a difference from 8 years of doing Paleo to doing kind of a low carb Paleo approach? What have you noticed? What do you like and where are you at now?

Peter: One thing I want to point out is one of the first things you said was it works for some people, not everybody. This is so true because my body type needs it. My body type almost needs that really low carbohydrate. I would say this Drew, I would have told you that even throughout my entire career as a fitness professional, I would have always said I was a bigger guy. I just thought I was a bigger guy, that is just the way it is. I’m 42 years old and I have a lower body fat percentage now than I had when I was 25 and killing it in the gym. Three times more hours spent in the gym than I am spending now easily. And it is simply by completely removing certain things from my diet and including things I used to didn’t eat much. I do a lot of cooking, I think that is actually a skill for people’s health that you have to pick up. Either you have to cook or you have to have somebody that you love and that loves you very much cook for you. *laughing* I do truly believe in the home cooked meal.

Drew: Yeah. *laughing*

Peter: As far as my perks, I can make that. I think that is the most important thing. In my own life, it has made a massive, massive difference. One thing that I tell people is because it doesn’t work for everybody, but yet the same overarching concept I think needs to be considered regardless. You need to work for your own body type and while your body type might be ok with carbs, nobodies body is used to eating foods that have only been around for 50 years. So if your choice is to put carbohydrates into the body, you have to be very, very careful about what those foods are. Maybe you are not going to have a direct issue as we have already talked about, but if you are eating carbohydrates, I still think that you need to take a ‘Paleoithic’ approach to that nutritional profile. I think that is extremely important. One thing that I do tell people, for your benefit you might consider your crowd south of the equator. If you have a big following there, right now, summer is the time to consider to go slightly higher in the carbohydrates and then winter being the time to go into the ketogenic style, which will be more following with our ancestors. What it really comes down to is a question of where your ancestors lived, did the ground freeze? If the ground froze where your ancestors lived, they didn’t have the availability to eat fruits and vegetables all year round. I definitely have been getting into eating seasonally, into moving seasonally and living according to the seasons. Summer being a time of production. Fall being a time of harvest and getting those rewards. Winter is rest and then spring of course for preparation.

Drew: I like that too, because it mixes it up. It’s not the same thing all year round eating chicken, broccoli, sweet potatoes every single meal all year round. You are always in a cardio phase, it’s good to mix things up. For me, I get sick of doing the same thing over and over again to be honest with you. That’s why once or twice a year I will sign up for something that I suck at, something that I know I am not good at. Because it forces me to train outside of my comfort zone. *laughing* This last year I did a triathlon. I had to learn how to swim and how to be on the bike for an hour and a half or so. It’s different. It’s hard but it pushes me to train differently. Then other times I get lazy and I will just go for a walk today. I know it’s not going to get me a six pack, but it relieves my stress levels. Stress management and sleep I think are overlooked in our industry too much. We focus so much on exercise and diet only, where we are missing a huge piece of the puzzle managing our sleep. Like sleeping like we get paid to do it, like it’s your full time job. Then also your stress management, man. Our lives these days here in a first world country are super busy, super stressful over the smallest things like, ‘Traffic was awful today. Wifi was down and I couldn’t do this or that.’ We are complaining about these things that didn’t exists a hundred years ago, but it causes stress. I think those two things are overlooked.

Peter: I love both of these points and I want to piggyback on each one of them.

Drew: Sure.

Peter: The first one being the sleep thing. This is something that I have always noticed that blew my mind. We would have these people, and if you go into a big box gym especially at 6 or 7 at night and you look at the cardio section of that gym, you see like the ‘sea of bobbing heads’. You know what I mean, on the elliptical or treadmills, the sea of bobbing heads. The cortisol production from doing that kind of exercise late at night, it’s extreme. Of course they are doing these types of exercises under this bright florescent light. Usually with some other type of other audio or visual input going on. Of course we know that the weight loss and sleep are so intuitively connected, you can’t have one without the other. We send these people home at 8 at night with this ridiculous level of cortisol hormone production and under these lights and then just expect them to go to sleep and rest well and recover. Then you think about the stress. Stress, what is interesting is your stress accumulates. It’s not like work stress is over here and then home stress is over here, then your relationship stress is over here. Then if you fill up this bucket, that doesn’t affect the other bucket. That is not the way it works. If you fill up your stress bucket with one type of stress, your stress bucket is full. If you go exercise on top of that stress bucket, you are now in a degradation. You are actually not benefiting. A lot of people, I don’t think realize that. If you have a massive amount of stress from many, many factors in your life, you can’t just add more stress and expect to have a positive outcome.

Drew: Yeah.

Peter: We are dealing with a lot of things right now in our lives. I think there is a lot of stress that we create for ourselves.

Drew: Yeah. It’s definitely something that needs to be looked at. Really quick, before we go, I want you to talk about kettlebellmovement.com. Talk a little bit about what people can expect from your brand and your website. Then we will tell people where they can find you on social media and stuff.

Peter: Sure. I would be happy to. So, kettlebellmovement.com is, we are a video educational site. So we teach through video. We have six levels that we follow for your education. So, the first one is we go through the basics. The levels we kind of discussed, the first level being just body weight and movements. The second one being very slow resistance movements using simple exercises and then progressing all the way through the power phase and using other types of conditions to make the exercises harder or using different techniques as we go through the level system. Six levels with about 200 lessons on video of various exercises. So, everything from of course the hip hinge body weighted all the way through turkish get ups. From handed kettlebell swings all the way up to …. Let’s see, I left off yesterday, my final video I was filming yesterday was one of my favorites, which is bent press. If you guys have never done the bent press, it’s an excellent exercise and one of my favorites. You guys can check it out to find out why. So, we’ve got about 200 lessons on video and then we have about 125 workouts on video. They are all between 15-50 minutes long.

Drew: Cool.

Peter: They are searchable by strength, flexibility or endurance. So depending on what you want from your work out. They are searchable by level and also by the name of the workout and duration. If you really want to pick out the workout that is right for you for the day, you can do that or you can follow the daily workout that we send to you.

Drew: Cool. And where can people find you other than your website? Social media?

Peter: kettlebellmovement on Facebook and we are kettlebellmoves on Twitter and Instagram. So we are always around, if you guys have questions. Especially on our Facebook page, if you guys are asking questions, we are always around on there to talk to you guys.

Drew: Ok. Well Peter, thanks so much for coming on, man. I really appreciate what you do in this community and in this industry. A lot of people change their perception of health and fitness and hopefully we will get there. So, keep moving forward man.

Peter: Thank you. I appreciate it.

Drew: Ok, we will talk to you later, man


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