Episode 150 – Jane Barlow

Intro:

Hey everyone, it’s me, Drew, back with another great episode on the Fit2Fat2Fit Experience Podcast. I appreciate you guys tuning in each and every week to this Podcast, where I try and bring the lessons that I learned from doing my Fit2Fat2Fit journey. Which is basically how much the transformation is mental and emotional. So, what I like to do is mix the physical, the mental, the emotional and the spiritual into this Podcast to help you with a complete transformation. So, with all my guests, I try and bring on experts from all different areas of expertise in the health and wellness industry. It’s not just to focus on one thing, like the physical, the workouts, meal plans, diet and nutrition. It’s not only to focus on the emotional, mental, spiritual side of transformation. I try to incorporate all of it, because that is where true transformation happens. It  doesn’t just happen with becoming skinny and losing weight and getting a six pack. There is more to health than just that. I feel like we need to change our perception of what health and fitness is and that’s what I am trying to do here on the Fit2Fat2Fit Experience Podcast, by talking about complete transformation. So, today’s guest, her name is Jane Barlow. She is a good friend of mine. She’s here in Utah. So, a really quick story and this is going to make sense once I tell you more about it. I just got back from KetoCon. Jane convinced me to take this herb called Lomatium and I bet 99% of you have never heard of it. It’s a very powerful antiviral, antibacterial herb that cleanses out the body. It kills off parasites and detoxes your body, but here is the interesting thing. I took it about 2 weeks before KetoCon, which I just got back from a little bit ago. She was telling me there was a 1% chance you might get this rash called a Lomatium rash. A very small percentage of people get it. If you get it, don’t freak out. It’s just part of your body processing the herb. It detoxes your body and it overloads your liver, which is your biggest detoxification organ. Sometimes your liver is overloaded and your skin kind of steps in to help out with that detoxification period and so it manifests in a rash form. It itches like crazy and so me, being super smart, decided this isn’t going to bother me. I’m not going to get a rash, so I’m going to take it anyways. I’ll be fine. I started taking it and I didn’t notice anything and then right before KetoCon, I noticed a little bit of a rash under my armpits. I thought it wasn’t that big of a deal. It’s not that bad. Then boom, I get to Austin Texas and it spreads like wildfire all over my body. I literally could not sleep for almost two nights straight because it was so itchy and I was so miserable, no matter what I did. *laughing* It just kind of …. I knew it might happen, but I didn’t think it would. But anyways, the reason I am telling you about this, is because Jane owns this company called “Barlow Herbal”. We talk about these herbs and that her dad was a botanist and basically studied plants and plant medicine. He had his own herbal company, but then he died. Her siblings, which she has a lot of, she is the second oldest of 14 kids. She grew up in Idaho. She decided to take on the task later on, because so many doctors were asking for these supplements that he had created on his own, because they were working so well in their clinics. She decided to take it up and take it over. That’s exactly what she did and she’s been running the company since. We talk about some of her products and how these herbs fit into a healthy lifestyle and how they can help people, rather than taking prescription pills. We talk a little bit about her story as well. She lives here in Salt Lake City. She enjoys hiking all over the mountains of Utah. She teaches fitness classes. She has two grown sons and two grandchildren as well. We talk a lot about her family and her upbringing and the mental and emotional side of health and wellness as well. You guys will really enjoy this.

Drew: Alright, Jane, how are you doing? Welcome to the show today.

Jane: I am doing awesome. Thank you for having me, Drew.

Drew: It’s my pleasure. Super excited to have you on today. I kinda want to start by introducing or letting you introduce yourself to my audience and telling us a little bit about your background story. What were your passions growing up as a kid that led you down the path of where you are today?

Jane: Ok. I grew up with a dad who was a botanist, which basically means a guy who studies plants and loves everything plants. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s, so this was kind of when all of the fast food, packaged food and all the food was being made convenient for the housewives to feed their families. This was kind of the big thing during that time. We never did any of that. We always had huge gardens and it used to kind of drive us crazy as kids, because we wanted to have Wonder Bread. We wanted to go to McDonald’s because it was becoming really big then. It just wasn’t something that was part of our landscape. So, me, I am second oldest to 14 others. I know we talked about this earlier. *chuckles*

Drew: Wow. *laughing* Yeah.

Jane: You know, first of all you either go one way or the other. You either kind of go into a caregiver kind of mode, which is what I did. In fact it is kind of a funny joke in my family. I am second to the oldest and my sister, who is a year older than me, is literally 11 months older than me. It’s always a joke that I am truly the oldest.

Drew: Really?

Jane: Well, it’s just kind of like, well there are a whole lot of stories behind that! I think what happened is, of all my siblings, I kind of latched on to this at an early age, as far as just the whole holistic thing. All of us embraced this lifestyle as adults, but me, as a kid, I still to this day have never smoked a cigarette, ever. Not even to try it, I was just like, ‘Why would I want to do that to my lungs? I really love my lungs.’ I had my first sip of alcohol when I was 34. *chuckles*

Drew: *laughing*

Jane: That partly was the culture I was raised in.

Drew: Yep.

Jane: It was kind of like one of those things when you have a dad who pulls the car over to the side of the road when you are driving somewhere and he wants to identify and teach his kids about plants that he sees. I can’t tell you how many times we would stop and there would be all these little kids eating leaves on the side of the road, if they were edible. It was just this really amazing childhood that was a little bit annoying growing up, because you don’t really realize your gifts when you are in the middle of them. That was my background of where I kind of got the love of natural medicine and herbal healing. I kind of come by it pretty honestly.

Drew: Yeah. So, before we get down to your journey later on. I want to talk about your teenage years and college years. Did you find yourself rebelling at all against your parents, because they were trying to push that agenda on you? Sometimes that can cause kids to rebel. Do you feel like that happened to you? But, it sounds like you embraced it from a young age. Did you keep eating that healthy food while your friends were eating Pop Tarts and going to fast food places all the time? How did that work?

Jane: Well, I got to discover all the fast food when I was in my 20’s.

Drew: Ah, gotcha!

Jane: I got married really young and I just thought, my parents have really been depriving me of Burger King and Taco Bell and candy bars and Twinkies. Honestly, for almost the whole decade of my 20’s, because I got married really young like when I was 18. When you get married, you get to do your own thing, or when you move out of the house, right

Drew : Yeah.

Jane: So, I ate whatever I wanted. I started teaching exercise classes when I was 18, as well. So, I was always super active, but during my 20’s I gained 40 pounds because I was eating so much crap. So, yeah I rebelled. I rebelled at my own expense.

Drew: Gotcha. It’s interesting, because it’s similar to my experience growing up in a family of 11 kids. They weren’t extreme as far as making us eat the plants in our garden and stuff like that. But, my mom would always make food from scratch. But to feed 11 kids, it wasn’t always the healthiest food. It was a lot of peanut butter sandwiches and casseroles and lentil soups, which would be healthier than the stuff kids usually eat, or my friends were eating, you know? But I would always be envious of my friends at school because they would have like gushers and Doritos and soda. Here I was with homemade bread with peanut butter and honey sandwiches and that’s all we could eat. So, yes, when I went to college and I finally had my own money and had access to these things, I was like, ‘Oh my gosh, I am out of jail!’ It was like freedom for a little bit.

Jane: I used to be embarrassed to take my little homemade bread with peanut butter and jelly to school.

Drew: Really?

Jane: Yes, I used to be completely embarrassed because everyone was either getting lunch or buying their lunch out of the candy machines, you know? I relate to that a thousand percent. We always got homemade food, it wasn’t always the healthiest. You know, lots of potatoes, lots of casseroles. My dad would buy a big, a full beef, which we are talking about local, grass fed beef. We had a big deep freezer and all of our roasts and hamburger and everything was wrapped in white butcher paper. That of course is healthier than a lot of the meat we get now. We ate a lot of starches and a lot of carbs, because bread and potatoes and pasta fills up 11 or 14 kids, right?

Drew: Exactly. *laughing* 100 percent. What are some of the most memorable lessons that your dad taught you that still stick with you today?

Jane: I grew up super unique because of what my dad did. He was a doctor of basically, medicinal botany. So his PhD was making medicine out of plants. He formed a company when I was young. He sold mostly to practitioner’s, like natural doctors, for Acupuncture clinics and Chiropractor’s and all that. What would happen is at different times of my growing up, like when he wrote his book, his best friend was a Chiropractor and he wrote the forward to it. Then he would come to dinner every week or every couple of weeks and all of us little kids would line up and we would get adjustments.

Drew: Really?

Jane: Sometimes we would get acupuncture and sometimes we would get iridology, which is reading the iris of the eyes. We would get reflexology on our feet. These little healing sessions would happen on a regular basis, from the time I was a baby clear until the time I left the house. That was normal to us, which looking back now, it’s like, wow. To me, this is the big stuff that is coming around now. People are looking at natural modalities and things to get well without going onto drugs and all that stuff. I would say that’s probably the biggest memory, is just all these little healing’s we used to get. Crazy, right?

Drew: That’s so cool though. *chuckles* Your dad was the ultimate, original bio-hacker. *laughing*

Jane: Totally! *laughing*

Drew: Before it was even called biohacking! *laughing*

Jane: It’s completely true and he’s teaching all of his little kids to be bio-hackers, yeah!

Drew: That’s awesome! So, you said you kind of rebelled in your 20’s. I’m assuming that your first husband didn’t grow up in this world, so he was wanting to eat those processed foods because everyone else was. At what point did you kind of get into this field then?

Jane: Well, I started teaching exercise classes when I was 18. So, I got into fitness super early and I would really say that fitness saved me from my bad eating. I right away started teaching classes and I got my personal trainer certification. So I was always in the gym. I have two kids, who are now in their 30’s and I dragged them to the gym. The gym is like their second nature for them, now as adults too. I think with just the way that I was so active, at one point I was teaching 17 classes a week.

Drew: Oh my gosh. Wow. *chuckles*

Jane: It was amazing to me. I felt amazing. I still teach to this day. It’s something that is like part of who I am, as far as being fit.

Drew: What do you teach and how long have you been teaching it? *laughing*

Jane: Next year, in 2019, I will have been teaching for 40 years. *laughing* Isn’t that insane?

Drew: That’s crazy! *laughing* What kind of classes do you teach?

Jane: I have taught everything from body pump to …. right now I just teach step. So, I teach one step class once a week and it’s at a 24 Hour Fitness here in Salt Lake City. I have 50 people show up every Saturday and it’s a dance party. I’m just kind of like, ‘How am I still doing this at 57?’ It blows me away a little.

Drew: I think that is really cool. So, exercise saved you. Then at what point did you have a career? Were you a stay at home mom? When did you get into this field of what you do now though?

Jane: I was not really a stay at home mom. I worked at the gym. I started selling memberships when I was teaching. Then my kids went to school and I lived at the gym during the day. So, when I wasn’t teaching or training someone, I was selling memberships. When I was 34, I opened my own gym and that was amazing and awesome. It was a big entrepreneurial fail, because it’s tough anytime you go into a business. It’s always tough and you learn these big lessons. I don’t regret any of that, but I also went through a divorce at the same time that I opened my gym. So, that was kind of a big deal too. But then what happened is, I started really studying nutrition. Because even though I exercised all the time, I didn’t feel good. I had constipation. I had bloating and I was really sick of working so hard and not seeing the results. I should have like …. I should look amazing if I’m teaching all these classes! So, I started studying really deeply. I don’t know if you have heard of a book called, ‘Fats that Heal and Fats that Kill’?

Drew: No, tell us.

Jane: Ok, so it’s this huge thick book. I’m not kidding about this book. It’s actually a thesis that was written by a guy named Udo Erasmus. This was about 20 years ago. I was reading this book, this was just in my stack of books. I would read these like they were novels. This was like thick, dense, scientific stuff and in this book about healthy fats, which is also kind of funny, because now we know fats are good for us, right?

Drew: Yep.

Jane: There was this paragraph on one page about the damaging effects of sugar. It was one paragraph in this big, thick book about fats. For some reason, this washed over me and I was like, ‘I don’t even believe this.’ I was a complete sugar addict. That was my biggest problem. Immediately, the moment I read that, I was 38 years old and I stopped sugar. I stopped bread. I stopped pasta. I stopped everything like immediately and in two months, I was 40 pounds down. I never felt better and I never looked better. Honestly, it’s been almost 20 years now and I’ve never looked back. That was just a turning point. I know not everybody gets the click that way, but that made so much sense to me and reading about all these fats and how they affect us and are good for our brain. This was 20 years ago and now we know, right?

Drew: Yeah. That’s interesting before the whole Keto thing became mainstream, you were kind of doing a ketogenic approach. What was your food looking like those days? What types of foods were you eating back then? You said you cut out those pastas and breads, but what else were you eating?

Jane: I ate a ton of vegetables, because right at the same time I was also reading things like ‘The China Study’, books that were very, very heavy vegan and vegetarian. I became a vegetarian for 12 years.

Drew: Ok.

Jane: But I also became a smart vegetarian. I knew I needed to supplement with “B” vitamins. I knew I didn’t want to be a vegan or a vegetarian that ate too much sugar. Because you can be a very unhealthy vegetarian. I was lucky I had been studying so much about what’s going to keep me healthy, at that point I just wanted vibrant health. I was just like, ‘This is possible.’ All my siblings who had also decided, ‘Wow, we get to eat all the fast food, junk food and sugar that we want now that we’re grown up.’ All of them have over the years struggled with their weight and stuff too. Now, it’s like, ‘Oh, look, it’s not genetic that we have all of this stuff around our middle.’ Because we used to blame it on genetics when we have all this stuff around our middle. *chuckles*

Drew: Yeah. *chuckles*

Jane: Now I have kind of proven as one of the oldest too, this doesn’t have to be this way. We have control. I don’t know, that was kind of a roundabout way of answering your question. *laughing*

Drew: No, that’s ok. We will get into nutrition in a little bit. But you are kind of telling your story of how you got into this field of what you do today. You did the gym. You changed up your diet. You read that book and you became a smart vegetarian. At what point did you get into this field of what you do today?

Jane: My dad passed away 20 years ago. His company kind of died with him, because he was very much a rebel. He was this amazing wildcard. He didn’t believe in paying taxes. He was always running from the IRS. He would change his business phone number like every 6 months. If you could get a hold of my dad to place an order for his formulas, it was like you belonged to a part of this secret society, right?

Drew: *laughing*

Jane: He was the most quirky, amazing, smart, brilliant, because he was so smart, man. He was amazing, but kind of crazy. When he passed away, his business died with him. Nobody wanted to run my dad’s business like he did it. None of us wanted to go underground and none of us wanted to …. My dad was unique and we thought no one could really replace him. What happened is, during those first few years after he died, we started getting harassed by all these doctors who were used to buying his formulas and using them in their practices. Finally about 4 years after he died, we got together and had a family meeting. We decided somebody had to do something and nobody wanted to or was interested. So, we all left this meeting and a few days later I called up one of my sisters who lived in Idaho. It was just an intuition I was having. I said, ‘So what are you doing?’ And she said, ‘Well, I am driving to lunch to meet with this woman and her daughter. They are botanist and I am selling her all of dad’s formulas.’ I was like, ‘Whoa!’ I was working in corporate America at 24 Hour Fitness at that point and I was bitterly unhappy. I just said, ‘Wait a minute. I think I want to do that. I think I want to do that.’ She literally pulled over. She was on the way, she was 10 minutes from lunch. If I had not called her at that moment, wow. So, I restarted my dad’s company 16 years ago. I started it all over. I do everything legal. I pay all my taxes. *laughing*

Drew: *laughing*

Jane: Everything is above board. It’s grown into this beautiful …. I get to help people everyday. My formula’s …. I’ve got my own line and now I do my dad’s too. I get to see people get well from really serious issues. It’s like what you do. We get to affect people and make their life better. What’s interesting is, the older I get people are like, ‘Ok, so what are you doing?’ Because I am not on any drugs, so I still have the holistic part of the lifestyle as well. I exercise and I eat right and I forgive quickly. There is a whole component of holistic wellness.

Drew: Yeah, it’s not just as simple as taking supplements or even eating healthy and exercising. There is so much more to health and wellness than just that. We will get into that in a little bit. There is a mental, emotional and spiritual component as well. Before we get into that though, when you took over your dad’s company, here you are with your dad’s formulas, was there a learning curve? Or did you already know what formula did what? Were you already educated on that?

Jane: My dad took full advantage of having 14 kids. We were his worker bee’s. So me, being second oldest, you know, I was one of the people who my dad would put to work. Back in those days, and even when I first restarted my dad’s company, we made everything by hand.

Drew: Wow.

Jane: I did that for the first 10 or 11 years, when I restarted my dad’s company. I made everything by hand. Now, of course, we have everything manufactured at a facility. We had to become FDA compliant. The learning curve came with all of the stuff that used to get thrown at my dad, questions about this virus and this parasite and this fungus. So, the last 16 years have been a lot of deep study. I have learned so much. In fact, I say now on a regular basis to my siblings, I wish so bad I could talk to dad right now.

Drew: Yeah.

Jane: Because I feel like I have learned some things that he didn’t know, which I don’t mean that disrespectful.

Drew: Sure.

Jane: But it’s like there are so many things that I learned and people that I have connected with that I feel like, this is a whole different world now, right?

Drew: It is. Yeah, it’s just a smaller world, right? There is social media and you don’t have to go …. to find research, you can just go on your laptop and find all the research you want. Whereas back in the days of having to go to the library and having to look up like old studies or read old books and now it’s at your fingertips. I’m curious to know about some of your dad’s formulas that you said some doctors were harassing you guys about, as far as, ‘Hey we want this! Where is it?’ What were some of his most popular formulas that have done really well over the years?

Jane: Probably the most popular thing we do is made from a plant called Lomatium. I think that when I first met you the other day, I was kind of talking a little about that. It’s a Native American plant. The common name is Desert Parsley and even at that point, most people don’t know what that is. It’s in the parsley family,because the leaves look like parsley. So, it is in the parsley family, but the part of the plant where it has all of its power is in the root. It is what is known as a broad spectrum antimicrobial. So,  think virus, fungus, yeast and some types of bad bacteria. It will even go after SIBO, you know the bacteria that can over populate your gut. This plant, we make it into a tincture, but we also make it into a capsule form too. In a small percentage of people who take it for the first time, it can come with a one time full body really intense detox rash. So, it’s healing you, but it’s really just concerning and it’s really …. it scares people away from using it. But it changes the game. Urinary tract infections, warts or viral infections, Epstein Barr, shingles, so it wipes these viruses out. My dad, he spent 30 years studying this plant and that was probably his biggest gift to the herbal world. My kids, they have never had a prescription antibiotic. They are 36 and 37, who does that? And I’m not against them. I think antibiotics can save your life in the right situation. He did a lot of other really cool things too. We could talk about that for a couple of hours.

Drew: Sure.

Jane: I could just give you the scoop. But that’s probably the biggest thing.

Drew: So, Lomatium is what it’s called?

Jane: Right.

Drew: Yeah, so I remember you talking about that and talking about the rash that happens with like a very small percentage of people, but it’s actually healing. I remember you talking about that. So, that’s available? People can purchase that? Are you guys the only ones who create it or are there other companies that create it? Is it pretty widely accessible now?

Jane: It’s still not widely accessible, but you can get it from other companies. There are some companies that make it that actually do what is called a Lomatium isolate, where they isolate the oil action that causes the rash. So, if you buy a Lomatium isolate, you are not going to get the rash, but it also takes away a part of its power. I believe it takes away the biggest part of its power, because not everybody gets the rash. It’s also not cultivated, so you can’t take a bunch of seeds and go plant rows and rows and rows of it. It’s never been successfully cultivated, so it only grows in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. So it grows in one part of the world. We go out every fall as a family, that’s when it’s time to wildcraft it and we wildcraft it as a family. We still do that.

Drew: Wow. That is so cool. That is awesome that you guys do that as family. So, it sounds like everyone is part of the business now, or maybe not everyone?

Jane: No, two of my brothers help me wildcraft and then my youngest son is my main guy. He kind of spearheads that and he’s amazing and strong and loves it. He pulls the root out and he gives it love. *chuckles*

Drew: *laughing*

Jane: So, yes we still do that, but it’s tricky because you can’t get a bunch of it. It’s very labor intensive to go get it.

Drew: You mentioned some things that you said you wish you could talk to your dad about that you have learned over the years. What are some of the things that you have learned over the years that maybe wasn’t available to him back when he was alive?

Jane: That’s a really good question and I’m glad you asked me that, because to me, this is super fascinating. Part of what happens when we take the Lomatium root, after we pull it out of the ground, and we know this from doing it with my dad, you have to have it chopped up into one inch thick slices. This is a really tuberous big root that …. I mean it’s an amazing process. You cut it up into slices and you lay it on drying racks. It has to oxidize and cure for 60 days, then we pack it up and now we take it to the manufacturer. But before we used to store it and then we would make our formulas. About 5 years ago, I met an herbalist at a conference in Oregon, who was very familiar with Lomatium. He had never, ever once seen the rash. I was like, ‘Ok, how can you never see the rash?’ I talk to people and I have never had a week go by that I don’t talk to somebody in the world with the rash. I’ve been on vacation in Italy and I’m on the phone talking someone off the ledge who has the rash, like literally it just doesn’t happen. So we started talking about the process and what he does. He always makes a fresh root extract. He never lets it oxidize. So, what I learned from that is when you do a fresh root extract, it doesn’t carry the same medicinal benefits, because there is no potential for a rash.

Drew: Oh, ok.

Jane: So, it’s obviously changing the properties when you oxidize it. So, to me that was one thing that my dad …. dealing with the rash is really difficult, because people are scared. It’s emotional, it’s itchy and it’s uncomfortable and unsightly. It’s not fun to go through. So, that’s probably one thing. There is a whole autism component with Lyme disease that I find very fascinating. This was probably 12 years ago. I got a call from a doctor named Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt who said he had been using our Lomatium in his practice. He treats mostly autism. He’s a medical doctor, but he is very well known for treating autism naturally. He said he just wanted to let us know that he is using this in his practice and 100% of the kids on the autism spectrum are getting the rash. Not 10%, not 20%, 100% and what he believes is this, and I believe this now too. That the Lomatium gives your body the ability to release a long standing dormant toxic load, like a viral load. A lot of these kids test positive for Lyme disease. You can get Lyme disease in utero. So, say the mom is infected with Lyme, but maybe nobody knows it. The baby gets Lyme because the baby gets it in utero. The baby is born with a fragile system and maybe like the MMR vaccine tips them into autism. And there is controversy about that. But, he sees that when they actually are able to release the viral load with this rash with Lomatium, that a lot of their Lyme disease issues and their autism …. I mean, he’s amazing. So, that would be one thing that I would love to tell my dad. Check this out, how cool this is? We are helping kids recover.

Drew: That’s so cool though. I remember you talking a lot about this when we were at lunch the other day. Tell us about some of your formulas, things that you have discovered and put together that are kind of like your kind of thing.

Jane: This has been super fun. This has probably been one of the funnest things that I’ve done. This is one thing, so when I restarted my dad’s company, literally there has not been a day that goes by that we don’t get a call or a question on an email from somebody saying, ‘We love your stuff, but what do you have for weight loss?’ Right?

Drew: *laughing* Yeah.

Jane: There is such a big long reputation with my dad’s formulas, these are like really proven amazing things. So it’s like, you must have something for weight loss and whatever you have, I’m sure it’s amazing and I trust it completely. I brought about a weight loss formula that I call ‘Clean Fat Loss’ that I am super proud of. There are no stimulants in it. There is a tiny little bit of naturally occuring caffeine from the green tea I put in it. There are herbs that support and nurse your thyroid, which your metabolism depends on that. Then I also have a new product, which I know I got a bottle in your hands.

Drew: Yes!

Jane: That one I am super proud of. Those are probably my two. I also have a skin line, a skin serum that was never meant to be a product.

Drew: *laughing*

Jane: Oh yeah, right? *laughing* You looked good already!

Drew: I will mention that in a second, but you can keep going. Go ahead.

Jane: I think the biggest thing, well for example, when I was 40, I started getting all of my silver removed. Growing up, we didn’t really see the dentist, so when I became an adult and I got married, I started going to the dentist. I had silver in all four corners of my teeth. When I was about 40, I decided I needed to get those removed, because you learn you don’t want those in your teeth. But, then you learn you have to remove them safely so you don’t get mercury exposure and then you have to take supplements to protect yourself. So I started taking broken cell wall chlorella, and the metals attach to it and helps you expel it. I started taking things like chlorella, turmeric, cayenne pepper for your heart, spirulina. I was just taking them. I wasn’t selling them. People used to ask me, ‘So, what do you do?’ I said, ‘Well, I take this, this and this.’ Then they wanted to know if they could get it from me. So, about 6 years ago, I brought a few things out that were things people kept asking me for. I tweaked them a little bit and added some stuff to them. They are all things to me, like longevity superfoods. I’ve been doing turmeric for 17 years now and now turmeric is huge, right?

Drew: Yeah, right. Exactly. It seems like you have been ahead of the curve on most of this stuff and your dad too. *laughing*

June: I honestly think it was just the way I was raised. It’s honestly a big chunk of it.

Drew: So, two fold question here, you mentioned cayenne pepper. What are some of the most common herbs that are overlooked in supplementation or diet? What are some of the most not so well known that people should learn about or go research, other than the one you have already mentioned, Lomatium?

June: I am going to get you some of that and it’s going to become your favorite once you start using it.

Drew: Ok.

June: Especially during cold and flu season, or when you travel. I always tell people, when you know me, if you know me, you should not ever be sick.

Drew: Exactly. I am looking forward to that.

June: I would say, think about your kitchen cupboard, you have turmeric, you have cayenne pepper, sometimes you have basil and oregano. Your kitchen cupboard full of spices is one of your most powerful things. But here is the thing, if you have spices that have been sitting in your cupboard longer than 3 months, they have lost all of their medicinal power.

Drew: Wow.

June: I just filmed a segment about this for an online herbal course I am doing. The guy who was filming it for me, he kind of looked around the camera and he goes, ‘Ok, so I’ve been married for 17 years and I have a thing of spices that I got for our wedding.’ I said, ‘You need to chunk that. You aren’t getting anything from that, probably not even any flavor!’ Basil, you can get basil from a garden. You can get rosemary. You can get your parsley’s, like Italian parsley and regular parsley and chives. I have buckets and pots of this growing in my yard right now. These foods, these are super foods that have more nutritional value than your vegetables, like lettuce and carrots and all the things we know we are supposed to eat. These things contain more of a medicinal power punch nutrition wise than any of your fruits and vegetables combined.

Drew: Wow.

Jane: That’s probably the most overlooked thing. People first of all need to go up to their spice cabinet and if anything, share things or buy little bottles. Don’t buy a big thing, unless you know you will use it up, otherwise all it will do is flavor. Then like pepper that you sprinkle on your food, if you don’t grind up your pepper fresh, once it’s been oxidized and it’s been sitting in little flakes in a pepper thing, you get nothing from it, no benefits. You might get a little bit of flavor, but you are getting no benefits. As far as things that people need to look at, I would suggest people take a look at cats claw.

Drew: Hum. What’s that?

Jane: It’s a forest herb and it is a powerhouse. Anti-inflammatory, it’s what’s known as opener of the way. It balances intestinal flora and it also goes after inflammation. It also is powerful anti-cancer, just for prevention. So people with arthritis or serious inflammation issues, cats claw is a powerful, powerful herbal arsenal to have in your tool box.

Drew: Ok, and you can buy the capsule or pill form?

Jane: You can buy it in capsule form and you can also buy it in liquid form. We actually make an  herbal extract of it. What’s nice about that is it goes right to the bloodstream.

Drew: So, it’s like a type of dropper thing or what?

Jane: No, it’s not. All the tinctures we do are in 190% proof organic cane alcohol. They are not extract and we don’t do any liposomal, but anytime you do a liquid, your body doesn’t have to digest it. It can simply go right to the bloodstream and go to work very quickly.

Drew: So, probably tastes horrible, right? *laughing* But it’s only a dropper size, right?

Jane: Yes, and you can dilute it. We suggest you put it in a little bit of water. Anytime you are doing a liquid herbal, and people shy away from them because they don’t taste good, which is a total shame. But they work so quick and they are so pure. Our tastes buds have just been messed up by all the processed food and junk food. We want everything to taste really super good. *laughing*

Drew: Right, of course. *laughing* Ok, so cat’s claw, lomatium, anything else …. What’s that?

Jane: Suma, suma root.

Drew: What’s that?

Jane: Suma, so suma comes from Brazil. It’s what’s known as an adaptogenic herb. It helps to balance chemistry. It’s also naturally high in very absorbable iron, so it’s good if someone is anemic and has low blood iron. Now it’s not going to mess them up, like if you get an iron supplement you would probably be constipated. But this goes in and it kind of …. I like to look at suma root as it goes in and looks around and it see’s what needs to be balanced. It’s actually what’s known as an adaptogenic herb. It adapts to its environment, so if you need this, it will help you with this. It’s very, very, very powerful. It’s got a lot of amazing properties. That’s something that I take every day and have for 20 years

Drew: Ok, gotcha. Interesting. What about the most common ones that you would give to kids? What do you think kids need growing up? Are all of these …. would you give kids all of these? I’m assuming you can, but also which ones would be the most important as kids are growing?

Jane: These are natural and God made. But the thing is that kids don’t usually have as many issues as adults do. Especially in the modern world when you let your health get to a certain point. I would say the Lomatium would be the number one thing I would want to raise my kids with because of how powerful it is and all the things little kids get while they are building their immune system. You know, like ear infections and cold and flu. Kids are around other kids at school and they pick up everything and come home with everything. Lomatium is very safe. I gave it to my own kids when they were just a couple of months old and now my grandkids take it. That would be something I never would want to raise my kids without. But you can also give your kids, cayenne pepper. You can give them pretty much anything, but the thing is, kids don’t usually need them like an adult does, especially if you feed them well. If they take an antibiotic, then you need to make sure they get some really good probiotics in their system. Everybody knows about this stuff now.

Drew: Gotcha. What about women and hormones? Let’s say menopause or their menstrual cycle and things that can help support healthy hormones for women?

Jane: That’s a really good question. The number one thing that women need to pay attention to and …. and I denied it for a long time that I was going through that, just because you don’t want to think you are getting older! *chuckles*

Drew: *laughing*

Jane: The number one thing for women is lifestyle, even though our hormones do change. I would suggest that every woman go get a hormone panel. It’s just a simple blood draw and you can get a full hormone panel and see what is happening. There are foods that you can eat that actually will help balance hormones. Then I have an herbal that was one of my dad’s original formulas. It’s actually in capsule form. I’ve been on that for about 8 years. There are six herbs in it and that’s one reason why I take the suma is because it helps balance body chemistry while my body is going through the changes. If you have a clean lifestyle and you go really low or no alcohol, your body can survive these hormonal changes. Exercise everyday, it’s not just about throwing a supplement or an herb at something like that, even though that can make a big difference. But if you don’t put into check these other lifestyle factors, you can’t just expect an herb to take care of something that your …. yeah, you have to live and eat healthy. Some people need to dial it in a little bit, dial it in tighter. If you are willing to do that, you would be surprised at how you can survive those hormonal changes as you get older.

Drew: Yeah and I think it’s really important that we bring this up, even you as a supplement owner, it’s important to talk about a supplements role. It does not replace living a healthy lifestyle. It’s not a magic pill that you can eat whatever you want to and then you take these pills and you look amazing and your hormones are balanced and you don’t have to change anything about you. I wish there was an easy path in life, but there is not. *laughing*

Jane: Yeah, it doesn’t work that way. To me this is what I say to people when they come to me and ask me, ‘What should I take so I can be as healthy as you?’ I’m like, ‘Tell me what you are eating.’ That’s the first thing I ask them. I always start there. Or if someone says to me, ‘Well, I can’t afford all these supplements that I would like to take.’ Well, what are you eating? So don’t take any supplements, but dial in your lifestyle. Afford really good food, organic food, pay attention to what you are eating. Forget the supplements, start with your diet if you think you can’t afford it. If you are eating a crappy lifestyle, I don’t want to sell you supplements. They are not going to work for you the way they need to anyway, if that’s the case.

Drew: You mentioned an online herbal course, where can people find that at? Or is that for everybody or just for …. ?

Jane: I opened it up in January to a group and I’ve been adding content to it every week. Then coming in January, I am going to release it again. It’s just going to be …. it’s actually coming along really beautifully. My goal is to teach people about herbs and about herbal medicine and  to be able to say things that I can’t really say when I tell people about what I do. Because I can’t make claims, I have to be super careful. I have some really powerful protocols that I can’t really talk about. But inside a private course, I can still make my disclaimers and say, ‘Look, I’m not a doctor. This is just my own experience. This is just to educate you.’ But inside this private course, I can actually talk about these things. There are little videos and educational PDF’s about what I do and what I would do if I got cancer, you know? I put it all out there. I am going to re-release it in January and then it will be a full course by then. Right now, I just opened it up and I got 100 people in and I am just polishing it up. Right now, it’s not available.

Drew: So, which means people have to follow you, stick around and stay tuned and wait until January to join that.

Jane: Which is not that far away really.

Drew: It’s true. Time flies and I notice the older I get, the faster time goes by. It’s already June 2018 and I can’t believe that. Really quick, I want to end on this note before we tell people where to find you. One of my favorite quotes is from Tony Robbins. He says, ‘Success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure.’ So for you, Jane, what is it in your life that brings you ultimate fulfillment?

Jane: I love this question because to me, I get up early because I love what I do so much. When I open up my email and there is an email from somebody telling me how what I do changed their life, or the life of someone they love or I get a phone call. You can’t replace the fact that you can change one persons life, to me that is like the most fulfilling thing. It enriches me so much and gives me total purpose. For the biggest chunk of …. after I started my dad’s business, I was hardly making any money. I honestly didn’t care because i was so happy. I was so happy that I was getting to do something like carrying on my dad’s legacy. That was so huge and immediately I started getting them. Not a day goes by that I don’t get something from somebody somewhere on social media or on my email. Somewhere, where someone says …. like just before I talked to you there was this amazing email from this woman I’ve been helping for the last few months. Her graves disease is completely gone.

Drew: Really? Wow.

Jane: Just right before I got on this call with you. To me, that’s success.

Drew: I love that.

Jane: It’s perfect.

Drew: That is beautiful. Jane, where can people find you on social media, your website, any other information you want to put out there? We will put it in the show notes, but for the people listening, where can they find you?

Jane: Yeah, so my website is BarlowHerbal.com. I am on Instagram @BarlowHerbal. Then I am on Facebook with three pages, I have Barlow Herbal, Jane Health and then I have my private page which is Jane Barlow Christiensen. Then I have a YouTube channel which is Barlow Herbal. There are actually some really good things people can learn about that I’ve over the years put on YouTube.

Drew: Ok, we will put a link to all of those on the show notes and Jane, I just want to say thank you so much. I really appreciate what you do and the impact you make in this world. So, keep up the good work and keep moving forward in life, Jane. I appreciate you coming on.

Jane: Thank you, Drew. It was so nice to be on. I can’t believe I just barely met you and you had me on your Podcast, so thank you.

Drew: I’m loving it. Thank you so much. We will talk to you soon.

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