Episode 132 –  Jade Nelson

Intro:

What’s up everyone, it’s me, Drew Manning, your host of the Fit2Fat2Fit Experience Podcast. Thank you guys for tuning in today, I really appreciate it. Today’s Podcast Episode 132 is with a good friend of mine, her name is Jade Nelson and if you know anybody with epilepsy, this might be a good Podcast for them to listen to. Why? Because it talks about how Keto affects epilepsy. Jade has a personal story of her going Keto and overcoming her epilepsy that she has had since she was a child really. She talks about all the medications she had to go on and all the hardships she had to go through, having random seizures, which is not fun, obviously. And how she was able to heal herself and adopt a fully Ketogenic lifestyle and how she lives it as a lifestyle now days. I first met her at Paleo FX a couple years ago through a company called “Drop an F-Bomb”, which they make these awesome fat bombs, nut butters and also other fats like coconut oil and olive oils. She was at their booth working for them and that’s how we first got connected. I remember her telling me her story of her past of epilepsy. You definitely want to give this a listen if you know anyone with epilepsy, please share this with them.

Drew:  Alright, Jade Nelson, welcome to the show. How are you doing today?

Jade:  I’m doing great, and yourself?

Drew:  I’m doing fantastic. How’s Austin Texas?

Jade:  Today it’s good, it’s sunny, it’s kind of border-warm, I guess?

Drew:  *chuckle* Kind of sorta warm? Is that like 50 or 60, kinda sorta warm??

Jade:  That’s what sorta kinda warm is. Yeah. *laughing*

Drew:  I love Austin, it’s a beautiful city, I’ve only been there once, and that was for Paleo FX and that was a really cool experience. I do plan on going back in the near future because that is where all the cool people live, it’s either Southern California or Austin Texas, it seems like.

Jade:  Yep, two cool places. *laughing*

Drew:  Did you grow up in Texas, where are you from originally?

Jade:  I was born on the east coast in a small town in Maine called Damariscotta. My parents moved us to California when I was a 1 1/2 and I was raised in Central California in a small town called Lodi. I spent the first basically 23 years of my life there. Since then I have lived all over New England and Portland Oregon before I moved here to Austin Texas.

Drew:  Awesome. And you love it out there is Austin?

Jade:  I do, I do. It has its perks and it has its negatives too. I miss the beach because I was the girl who was boogie boarding growing up because we had a house on the beach.

Drew:  Yeah, I am a beach guy myself so I miss the ocean as well living out here in Utah even though Utah is beautiful as well in its own way. So I get that. Let’s start with your story because you have a really cool story, very unique and definitely want to get it out there to the masses. Let’s talk about your background growing up, like what type of environment did you grow up in with your family and when were you first diagnosed with epilepsy?

Jade:  We will start with where I was first diagnosed.

Drew:  Yeah, ok.

Jade:  I had my first seizure at 7 1/2, it was on July 4th. I turned 8 that next month, so the year I turned 8 I was officially diagnosed with epilepsy. I had a brain biopsy that determined that I have a scar on my left temporal lobe and basically necrotic tissue from birth, the umbilical cord was wrapped around my neck cutting off the oxygen supply to my brain over and over during each contraction. I’m lucky…. because a lot of people I know don’t know why they have epilepsy. I grew up in Lodi, my mothers a nurse, so I got really lucky and blessed with that.  Having a mother that’s a nurse and living with a diagnosis like this, in my opinion, gives me a leg up and an understanding. My mom made it really important to understand my diagnosis and my medications and to really find a way to empower me. I had seizures off and on all throughout my life, I’ve been  on medications since the beginning. I’ve been on about 10 medications in my life, it’s been a very up and down battle most of my life. That’s kind of the background of me growing up.

Drew:  Yeah, so at that time, you said your mom was a nurse, what were the protocols back then to help kids like you with epilepsy? I’m assuming there wasn’t any or was there nutritional protocols back then, or was it just medication?

Jade:  I know that I’ve asked my mom since then and she said that it was mentioned briefly but the doctors pushed the medication first. Jim Abraham brought the whole Ketogenic diet back into the light, I guess I would say, back in the 1990’s. By then I was in junior high and we just used medication and we just went with that. My mother though, what she did do, was she took me to biofeedback, she took me to acupuncturists, she took me to massage therapists, she took me to chiropractors. You name it, I had every type of alternative approach. She tried her hardest to cut back on sugar and different sweeteners and things like that. My mother is very opened minded, even though she has a western medicine background, she had a very open mind to eastern medicine approaches as well, so she used the combination of the two to help me.

Drew:  That is really powerful and that is really cool that you had that. Because a lot of people don’t have access to that, right? *chuckles*  Your mom being a nurse and doing everything she could in her power to help you. What was it like growing up with epilepsy? How severe were the seizures, did it take a toll on you growing up and going to school? Did you have to be homeschooled, how did it affect you?

Jade:  It was hard, it’s funny you ask this because I am actually going through all my moms old notes of when I was in school and reading all the stuff she’s written about keeping track of everything. Because she is a nurse, that is just a habit. It was hard, it was extremely hard. Most of my seizures happened to occur during the summer time, heat was a big impact for me. I had two different types of seizures, I had complex partial and simple partial seizures and some of them were more intense than others. So, I might have just aura feelings a lot but no major break through seizures when I was growing up. At least twice a year I had what I consider a big seizure that would either send me to the hospital or have to have my meds upped. It was hard but when your diagnosed at such a young age, you don’t know anything different. Hard just seems normal, which when I say that, it sounds utterly sad. It was normal. I had a lot of….learning was a little harder for me and when your on that type of medication and your still growing as a child, I had a lot of emotional stuff to deal with. A lot of fluctuations, I was angry a lot, a lot. I lashed out a lot. I knew I was different and there was nothing I could really do about that, so I evolved in different ways with that.

Drew:  Were these all side effects of the drugs or what were some of the side effects of the drugs?

Jade:  This is always a funny question, because when you are put on something at 7 1/2 you don’t really have a baseline of what is considered normal, right?

Drew:  Oh that’s true, yep. *laughing*

Jade:  *laughing* Most of them were side effects, like one of the big ones is headaches. I had chronic headaches from the beginning of my seizures and when I got put on those meds. So I lived basically with a chronic headache up until I started the Ketogenic diet…….I had a lot of emotional outbursts and yes, those were some of the side effects of the meds. Blurred vision, dizziness, loss of balance, I had a lot of that stuff too. You have all of that…just emotional stuff that your already dealing with as a child, like wanting to fit in and …… feeling different, or dealing with boys, all of that stuff that we, as children, grow up and we deal with this stuff. Then slap on top of that a diagnosis and a bunch of medication. *laughing*

Drew:  Yeah, I was going to ask you about your teenage and college years, did it affect you to like where you couldn’t go out and party with friends? Or you couldn’t drive or could you drive?

Jade:  I am one of the very few who have been able to hold a license. As long as your seizure free, you can hold a license. The type of seizures I had, I had auras, which were about 10 minutes long before the actual seizure occurs, so I could actually remove myself from an unsafe environment and do that, so that’s not always common. I did drive but with the state, I had to do a phone call every year and I had to say where I drove and things like that. I could drive to work and home basically. In high school, I ran track and I played softball up until my whole….like from the time I was 7 1/2 until my freshman year of high school, I played softball. So, I have always played sports and then in high school, I took up track. I battled having seizures occasionally, because in California it’s like 110. I dealt with those side effects and the issues, but I did everything that every other kid could do. As in regards to partying, Jade didn’t party because….*laughing*…. mother scared her and said drinking is not good and it’s not a good mix with your meds so I never did.

Drew:  *laughing* Well good on you, good job * laughing* …because I am sure that could have been pretty dangerous mixing those with meds. Going to college years and maybe like 20’s and 30’s, at what point did Keto kind of come to you and how did you learn about that or how did you stumble upon that?

Jade:  In my 20’s, I was still on meds and stuff and I went a good almost 7 years seizure free. From when I finished high school until ….. probably around the time I was 24, I started having them again. At that time, I was moving back east. My mom put me in my car, we drove cross country together, and I was living at my dads when I got there. It took some time to figure out medications and the seizures to kind of calm down again and then I went about my life for about another year. When I was 25, my husband now was my boyfriend then, I had seizures and it was just a lot of fluctuations and changing meds again. We up and moved to Portland, same deal, a lot of the same things. So, with my medication, every 4 years, I felt like the medication stopped working and we had to switch again.

Drew:  So, kind of like your body adjusted to the meds and it didn’t have the same effect, ok.

Jade:  Yeah, yeah. 2 1/2 years ago, I quit a job, the only job I ever walked out on. *laughing* The next day at swim practice, because I was on a masters swim team, I had a seizure in the pool. I felt it come on, I had enough time to swim to the side and pull myself out. That seizure basically changed my whole entire life from thereon out. I tried doing different meds, and at that time, and this is whole other topic so I won’t go crazy on it, insurance and getting your medication covered…it doesn’t…it’s not that great. They want to put you on generics, and when it comes to generics and neurological conditions, there is always a variance, a 20% variance in the making of the medication and so getting the therapeutic levels you need, doesn’t always happen. I went on generics and I shouldn’t have. I ended up with a lot of side effects. I basically ended up underweight and I had a gastritis and I spent a whole year trying to get better and it wasn’t working. My sister called me in late October of 2015, and said ‘have you thought about a Ketogenic diet’? At that rate, I had done Paleo and I was dairy free and I didn’t eat beef.

Drew:  Did you see any difference with that protocol or no?

Jade:  No, I didn’t. I won’t lie, I was a sugar addict and I still used maple and coconut sugar and anything I could get my hands on. *laughing*  She said, have you thought about it. And I said, I know about it…blah…blah…blah. But I was at a point where it was like a week before that I had sat in my bedroom and said if I didn’t wake up in the morning, it would be perfectly ok. Because I was tired, it had been 28 years of this and I was tired of constantly having to go through this process over and over again. The first week in November, I started the Ketogenic diet. I basically called up my doctor and said take me off Zonegran and lower the other meds a little bit, and I want to do it. He said ‘ok, he said don’t eat more than 50 grams of carbs and eat as much protein as you want and here is the website to the Charlie Foundation, good luck.’ It was the best decision of my life, but I didn’t know at the time how much work it was going to take because no one would work with me. I couldn’t find anyone locally at least that could understand it from a therapeutic perspective. I did all the research and I found tons of people out there doing it for weight loss, that’s great. But that is different.

Drew:  Yes, it is different. And we will talk about that, of course, in a little bit.

Jade:  I started it and it changed my whole life. I ended up meeting a lot of people and getting opportunities to share my story. My seizures got under control and I’m on the least amount of meds I’ve ever been on now. The plan is to hopefully come off some more in a couple of months, just trying to figure it all out. It changed my whole life to the point where my mom sometimes looks at me and she says, ‘Jade, your not even the same child I raised.’

Drew:  *chuckles*  In what way? What does she mean by that?

Jade:  The other day she said to me when we were having coffee, she goes…’Your in a flow Jade, your just flowing with life now and your not fighting it anymore.’

Drew:  Hmm, that’s awesome.

Jade:  I really believe…I don’t care how anybody wants to eat but find what works for you. Whether it’s Keto or Paleo or low carb or whatever, find the thing that just clicks with you. To me, it actually opened something up in me, removing the sugar and all that gluten and all that stuff and sticking to something so perfect and clean. The headaches went away, I don’t have brain fog. The side effects that I had with the meds, are much more minimal. I used to have chronic pain all the time too and that is….part of it could have been just stress from the seizures whatever, but all of that improved. I was able to put weight back on, which was a good thing. *chuckles*  I had to change a lot of other things, how I worked out and how I approached things, in that sense. When I tell people I am actually happy, I really believe that when I say that. I am able to tackle my life and the things that …. the seizures that made me angry and just sucked the life out of me. When things happen now, I can manage them. I believe it has a lot to do with the diet too, it’s a different perspective. Its removing a cloud from me, this heavy weight.

Drew:  I can sense that from you, thank you so much for talking about that. I can definitely sense that, just talking to you here on the Podcast, obviously we have met in person as well. So I can definitely sense that, which is really cool. I love how you talked about how it changed your life, not just physically, but in other ways as well, emotionally and spiritually maybe even. Being in a state of flow is really cool and is really hard to describe to somebody like what that means, you know, from an outside perspective. *laughing* You know, how do you explain that? I totally get it, what your talking about, obviously the mental clarity and improvement in cognitive function for me is like night and day. Let’s talk a little bit about how you….maybe evolved your Keto approach over the years. Obviously your doctor said, ok 50 grams or less of carbs, as much protein as you want, do you still follow that or how have you tweaked it over this time to customize it.

Jade:  I didn’t follow that because I knew it was wrong *chuckles*. I was like, I can’t eat all the protein I want, gluconeogenesis everybody. *laughing* So basically when I started….the first thing I did for 3 weeks was create a social media account. I am a person who wants to connect very deeply in a community, even beyond just social media, but I love community building. I knew I needed to find other people like me that were doing it the same way, because I was struggling. I found my friend Jillian and she kind of helped me along the way and added a lot of clarity to things. She has epilepsy too, a lot of the same similar things and she was a year ahead of me, basically. I basically started out doing 20 grams of carbs a day, and that’s total, and that all came from mostly vegetables. I did 160-200 grams of fat a day. I would fluctuate between 40-70 grams of protein, it was usually on the higher end when I was heavy lifting and doing a lot of weightlifting. I measured everything, I had a gram scale that traveled with me, as well as one at home. I measured everything that went into my mouth and I tracked every bit of food on an app, to the point that it probably stressed me out too much. *laughing*  

Drew:  *laughing*

Jade:  But I did that for a whole entire year, strict. I started kind of….I don’t measure anymore and I don’t track my food anymore. I just stopped doing that, I found specific products that I liked, that I could use regularly to help me. I just basically let my body take over from there.

Drew:  You make a really good point. I really honestly believe that when people start out on the Ketogenic diet, it’s really important to start tracking, just to know where you’re at, but you don’t have to do it the rest of your life. For me, I’m like how much time did I waste…*chuckles*…not waste, but spend tracking my macros, counting every little thing, stressing you out, right? That stress kind of takes away from that benefit sometimes of the diet, but it’s really important to start out tracking so you get an idea, of ‘this is what 100 grams of fat looks like, or 200 grams of fat’, right? You get an idea of that and then from there you kind of know, ok this is how much….you can roughly estimate what your eating and you can listen to your body and intuitively eat. But it takes awhile to get to that point, you know, and so I think that it’s really important that you did track and mentioned that for people listening that maybe haven’t done Keto. Or maybe that haven’t tracked, you know, they are just kind of winging it? It’s really important to do that. You also mentioned about heavy lifting and increasing your protein, I think that’s really important as well, can you expand on that and what you know or what has benefited you with upping the protein and heavier lifting and what benefits you’ve seen from that?

Jade:  When I was heavy lifting at the time, I basically on the days I lifted, I increased my protein by 10-15 grams. I felt like I was starving, all the time. I mean, that first year when I did it, I was lifting 4 days a week and I was starving all the time, so adding that little extra protein, it obviously felt like I didn’t hurt as much. My muscles could heal better. I did that as a tip that someone had given me and it just seemed to work. Now that I don’t lift anymore, I don’t eat like I did with the protein, but it helped with feeling like I wanted to eat until 10 at night.

Drew:  Yeah, yeah I totally get that. I wanted to talk to you about doing it for therapeutic reasons verses weight loss. What the difference is for someone with epilepsy verses someone that’s just looking to lose weight?

Jade:  Typically nutritional ketosis, it starts at 1.5, I think its, correct me if I’m wrong….. like its 1.5 or 1.0…. stop me if I’m wrong ok? *laughing*

Drew:  No, your fine, go ahead.

Jade:  So with therapeutic ketone production typically you need to be 1.5 or 2 or higher. It really depends on each individual though because I know kids that are doing it and they need to be up in the 4’s or 5’s. And when I get up that high, I get sick.

Drew:  Wow, wow.

Jade:  I’ve found where my range sets, where I feel the best in my body. But for therapeutic purposes in relation to like seizure control specifically, you need to have a good amount of ketones in the blood, pumping in the blood and making sure you have that because that’s what’s the key. Now why it works, I still can’t figure out and I haven’t read anything yet. It’s the food for the brain, because your using fat and ketone production.

Drew:  So for you, you’ve kind of found your sweet spot, right? You know what levels too high, you know what levels too low…let’s talk a little about that. As far as maintenance goes, you’ve been doing this for 3 1/2 years?

Jade:  2 1/2.

Drew:  2 1/2 years, let’s say you do have, I don’t know if your even allowed to have a cheat meal or a bunch of carbs or maybe some alcohol or something that kicks you out of ketosis. Do you feel that or are you so strict you don’t allow yourself to be kicked out?

Jade:  I don’t allow myself to, and most people I know don’t cheat. This is where it’s different, and this is where sometimes I can get on my soapbox and get a little fired up about it. If your using Keto for the purposes I’m using, there are no cheat days. There is no ‘I want to go have that piece of cake at my nephews party because it looks good.’ Because it’s a choice between, and this is why it’s not hard for me and people still have a hard time talking with me about it, they think I’m missing out on something.

Drew:  Sure.

Jade:  I’m not missing out because if I go have that piece of cake with the sugar or something, I may have a seizure the next day or the day after. I just set myself back and I know what it would do to me emotionally and how it would make me feel even physically, so I am not going to do that to myself. I have way too much to lose. I currently drive, I work, I travel, I do so much more than I ever thought I would be able to do, so much more than any doctor told my mother I would ever do. I’m not about to risk that…I mean there are things I eat that I’m like, yeah I probably shouldn’t, but it’s not going to really toss me out of ketosis. I’ve actually been in…I don’t even think I’ve ever gone out of it since I started.

Drew:  I think that’s really important because usually we tell people, oh everything in moderation but the thing with this is, for you, your taking a huge risk by eating that food. Where if your an average person who is doing it for weight loss,…. I get it even for myself like I will have days where I’m like, you know what, I’m going to have this, it’s fine. I’ll get back into ketosis later but I don’t have to worry about having a seizure the next day, right? It’s totally different then someone who is just doing it for, you know, trying to look better or, those types of reasons. So it’s really important to drive that home to people, to say like it is possible, it is possible. If everybody had to risk getting a seizure by eating something with tons of sugar in it, of course everyone would stop eating sugar, right? They are not going to risk it. Since most people don’t have to suffer from that, it’s really easy to justify and be like, well you know, I’ll get kicked out of ketosis for this and then I’ll just jump right back on. So, for you, it’s totally different and I get that, so thank you for sharing that.

Jade:  I was telling one of my friends on the phone, he does the Ketogenic diet too. He’s like, ‘I’m really struggling’ and I go, ‘you know what, why don’t you just pretend your me and you might you have a seizure and see how that goes for you?’ He’s like, ‘oh that’s an idea.’

Drew:  *laughing*  Exactly, so what ways have you been able to maintain this, let’s say, like when your traveling, things that you…maybe even some products you use to make sure your ketones are at a therapeutic level and your able to stay in a state of ketosis, even if your at a hotel or on an airplane. What are some things you take with you when you travel?

Jade:  I’m traveling a lot more. In the beginning, I never ate out or traveled, I basically stayed at home, I felt like I had no life. I finally figured out though…I’ve been traveling a lot and I use FBomb products.

Drew:  Yes, love those guys. So good, *laughing* coconut macadamia nut butter all day.

Jade:  I know. I’ve been using that probably almost since the beginning of when I started. They were the first company I found. Whenever I get ready to travel, I buy 2 pounds of bacon and my husband cooks it all up and I put it in a ziplock bag and it goes on the plane with me.

Drew:  Do you cook it first or is it raw?

Jade:  You cook it first.

Drew:  Ok, gotcha. *laughing* Gotcha.

Jade:  Sometimes more if I’m going longer than a couple days.

Drew:  Does it smell up your bag at all? Does the smell seep out?

Jade:  You’ve got to double bag. *chuckles*

Drew:  *laughing* Gotcha, this is key, make sure everyone is taking notes here! *laughing*

Jade:  So I use that and then I ….. recently, was it a month or so ago? Ross and Kara sent me some Ketologic to try, this is exogenous ketones, and I’ve been using that when I travel too. That really helped me my last trip because I was staying up too late and stuff, and so I used that. I also use Ballistic MCT oil powder and I travel with that. I drink more tea than coffee, I have different teas I use so I just bring all the tea bags to make that stuff. I always have packets of the FBomb MCT oil and I just dump that on everything I eat.

Drew:  Gotcha. That’s awesome. These are all great little hacks that I think people can learn because sometimes when people get started they are like, ‘well what do I eat on the Keto diet’, right? And now days it’s so much more convenient than what it used to be. I remember when I first heard about the Keto diet from Dr. Dominic D’agostino, he would talk about his Kerrygold butter and his zip lock bag that he would bring with him and his cans of sardines. *laughing*  Now you have all these companies where it’s super accessible and convenient now days where you can bring these Keto products with you on the plane. I do have to try the bacon thing though, that sounds awesome. I can see them going through my bag, pulling out this huge thing of bacon. *chuckles* ‘ What is this?’ That’s so funny!

Jade:  I travel with a letter from my doctor because I am always petrified, like if you steal my bacon, there’s not going to be an apocalyptic hope. *laughing*

Drew:  *laughing* That’s actually a good idea. Have you had to use the letter from your doctor at all, or no?

Jade:  No, I haven’t had to use it so the reason I ended up getting it….oh and I always travel with an avocado in my purse, always.

Drew:  Gotcha, good idea.

Jade:  It was my husbands birthday and I took him out for barbeque, and I pulled an avocado out of my purse, like I had done billions of times and cut it up in a restaurant and ate it. They did not have it, they kicked us out.

Drew:  Whoa….

Jade:  I literally was like sitting there and she’s like, ‘I need to take that now’ and my husband was outside on a phone call and I’m like, ‘what?’ For the first time, like I felt so uncomfortable and I didn’t know how to explain it, like dude I need this! *chuckles*  I just let her take it and then of course I got that look, that no one likes, that Jade gets on her face….  So, Eric came back and he goes, ‘what’s wrong’ and I told him and he’s like, ‘we’re leaving now.’ *laughing*

Drew:  That’s not cool. *chuckles*

Jade:  I should have explained it but, that was the first time when I realized like…. I respect that I shouldn’t be bringing food into a restaurant. And I understand that but, it was after that I literally had my doctors, I just, they  wrote up something and I carry it in my bag. It’s all beat up, but I haven’t had to pull it out.

Drew:  *chuckles* You mentioned before that you stopped lifting, why was that?

Jade:  I don’t know if you know, but I am a massage therapist. A lot of my work is very hard on my body. I ended up at the time noticing I was having tendonitis in my elbows…. having some problems. It was a choice between continuing my career doing massage or continuing to heavy lift. I ended up having a few other issues with my elbows, so I kind of gave up the whole heavy lifting. Now I do karate, Zumba and I lift a little bit. I do yoga every single day. I just learned you have to change with it, when I look at all the sports and activities I’ve done my whole entire life, as I’ve aged and grown, I’ve had to change because my body changes. Or the phase I am in, my body can’t tolerate it. I decided that even though I loved heavy lifting, and I still miss it every single day. *chuckles* I have to decide, you know, because there will eventually not be massage. It’s definitely already shifting towards writing and many different things, so I may be able to go back to it. But until I am no longer massaging people, I need to not tax the body too much.

Drew:  So where are you at with kind of paying it forward and helping other people? Have people reached out to you, have you been able to help other people that are just getting started on this journey? You know, where you were 2 1/2 years ago, how do you pay it forward, how do you help people now?

Jade:  I love that you ask that Drew.

Drew:  *chuckles*  Of course.

Jade:   *chuckles* All I ever wanted in my life, was to help other people with epilepsy and I thought it was going to be teaching people how to deal with health insurance.

Drew:  *laughing* Yeah

Jade:  Because I got good at it! But then this happened, and it literally…. 8-9 months after this happened… Ross and Kara came into my life. I got to go to Paleo FX and I met you and since then, I’ve been able to sit on a bunch of different Podcasts and tell my story. Then every time it goes live, I get a message from a parent telling me that they aren’t afraid anymore. That’s part of paying it back and I run a book club here in Austin where we talk about different health books. I have written my story and had it published in different places, because to me it’s more about sharing my story, because that’s the most impactful thing. I started doing speaking opportunities, talking you know, going to different support groups and things like that. I have a little boy that helps me do product reviews, up in I think it’s Michigan, we do product reviews for my YouTube. *laughing*

Drew:  Oh cool, when you say little boy, what do you mean a little boy?

Jade:  Well I send him products. He has epilepsy, yeah sorry. *laughing*

Drew:  Oh, gotcha. *laughing*

Jade:  He uses the Ketogenic diet too. I send him stuff, different products I am trying out.

Drew:  Cool.

Jade:  And I wanted his opinion, his mom said he wanted to be able to help other people too and so I thought that might be a way. I want to share my story with anybody that will hear it. Because I don’t want any child or any parent thinking they can’t give this a go earlier or that their life is over. That’s all I want, is to help other people do that. It’s headed in the direction I’m hoping, you know, and it gets better every single day and every month and every year…..I don’t even have words for it Drew. It just makes me feel so good.

Drew:  Yeah, and I can tell. It’s very fulfilling to you. What are the top resources that you send people to, for maybe books to learn about epilepsy and the Ketogenic diet and how it can help out?

Jade:  As for books, I haven’t found anything that really, like, resonates with me. But I always tell people about The Charlie Foundation and The Carley Eissman Foundation, they are great, they are in LA. I got an opportunity to go speak there. They get together and they bring families together and teach them how to cook low carb or modified Atkins style for their children. I give those two resources. I always tell people, because I get all people, not just people with epilepsy, contacting me. I will do like one on one question and answer stuff with people and then I also recommend the book, Keto Clarity, because it’s the easiest thing to explain. The book explains it so well. I have tons of cookbooks I just love and cooking sites. I always tell people now days, just go to my website there’s all kinds of stuff there. *chuckles*

Drew:  Yeah, ok that’s awesome. It’s good for people to have access to that, its probably, I don’t know, 10 years ago, maybe it wasn’t as accessible as it is now. It’s important for people to know where to go, because I’m sure there are parents out there listening who have a kid or someone they know that’s going through this. They think, ok where do I get started, how do I do Keto, just 50 grams of carbs or less and as much protein as you want or whatever your doctor tells you, you know? It can be scary, but there’s definitely resources out there, especially thanks to you Jade. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your story. Where can people get in touch with you? Where can people find out more about you, your websites, all your social media handles, all that?

Jade:  Ok. My website is JadeNelson.net and then on Instagram @thetraininsideme and on Facebook it’s Jade Nelson.

Drew:  And last question, oh any websites?

Jade:  My website?

Drew:  Yeah, do you have a website?

Jade:  JadeNelson.net

Drew:  Ok, you said that, ok. Last question, what is your favorite Keto treat?

Jade:  *laughing*

Drew:  I am assuming you miss sweets at some point, and now days there’s a lot of products out there. You can have something sweet that is Keto approved.

Jade:  Ok, my go to and always will go to, is Lilly’s Bark.

Drew:  Hmm, sweetened with Stevia.

Jade:  It’s like shipped in bulk to me. I mean those things are amazing and I use them for cooking, I make different things with them. I love that they just travel so well because I hate traveling. Everybody has snacks and I got nothing. *laughing* Lilly!

Drew:  Gotcha, and I’m assuming that you’ve tested to make sure that those really don’t kick you out of ketosis, right?

Jade:  And they don’t, I can’t chow down on a whole bar. I usually only have like a few squares. That’s the thing is like, I can do some things like that, but I can’t eat like a whole half bar or something like that.

Drew:  *chuckles*  Gotcha. Well, Jade thank you so much for sharing your story, I really appreciate it. I love what you do. I appreciate you being a resource and also, like a symbol of hope to people out there that might have been in your shoes or who have been in your shoes previously. I think it’s really powerful that you have had this experience and your kind of finding what your purpose is, right? And I love that, I love to hear that. So thank you.

Jade:  *chuckles* Thank you.

Drew:  Ok Jade, I will be in touch, have a good one. Bye.

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